I understand medsea group are a large plc company.how can a company deny your husband did not work there.surely he must have a written contract with the company and some old payslips for his basic salary, i cannot see how a company of such size could deny your husband ever worked there,plc companys have to operate in a open and transparent way i also understand they are a iso approved company,surely your husband has some redress here, as it sounds like a lot of money to be owed ?

I am also owed commission by Italian Connection, along with many others, including past and present employees and independent agents in the U.K and Ireland. Between us we are owed literally hundreds of thousands of Euros.

At the moment the current sales team and some agents are being 'drip fed' comissions in a bid to keep the peace.
Those of us who have left the company have been put on the bottom of the pile and many individual and family lives have been ruined as a result.

They have also refused to provide me with any information with regard to the progress of my own sales in order for me to make a financial forecast. Stating that 'they do not have to waste their time doing this'.

There is now a large number of people ready to take legal action for the recovery of the money and we are now seeking a Law firm to persue claims in Italy and in Spain where Medsea Estates has its Head Office.

I also worked for Italian Connection and have not received any commissions. I have spoken to Tony Gatehouse and Peter McGowen and also been into their Head Office in Torrevieja but they just fob me off. I've waited for over 12 months for the money and have never had problems like this with any other company I have worked for.
Medsea Estates are a bunch of crooks and I would like all ex employees to stand together in this.
WE can be strong together!

I have read the above statements of the ex-employees of Italian connection and I'm not at all suprised to hear any of it.
My husband and I bought a house from them and was told it would be ready on a certain date. We paid for our flights and accommodation and went over to Calabria To sign the deeds and collect the keys, only to discover that the house was no-where near ready. We were so disappointed but Italian Connection could not care less. We have not even received an apology or given a new completion date. Our rep, who has since left the company, told me about the problems out there and has also received no commissions from IC or Medsea!
For anyone thinking of buying from Medsea or Italian Connection my words of advice are DONT DO IT!!!!!!

I am yet another ex employee of Medsea and Italian Connection and am experiencing the same problems as all the other members. Tony Gatehouse and Peter McGowan are still fobing everyone off and rubbing their big, fat hands together with all the money they are swindling out of us.
How can we all get together as was mentioned in an earlier comment? We MUST make a stand!
Also what happened to Medsea's rule of no family working together? Neil Hardcastle who is Manager of Italian Connection has his wife and two sons working at the same company or working for IC Laywers! I doubt if they are short of money! I wonder if thats where all our commissions are going!?
I have emails admitting they owe me money, so I will not let them get away with it.

Medsea may be having a few difficulties at the moment like the rest of Europe's property market. But I don't think Medsea are are worse than the rest who I know are laying off staff because of the general down-turn in the property market, exchange rate, credit-crunch, etc. All the major Agents in Spain for instance have decreased staff, builders are going to the wall or slowing down production, investors cautious, agents applying less than honest tactics... the property market has always been like that (even in the UK). It's not new, especially in a depressed market.

I do have sympathy and concern if you have not been paid for your work / commission but slagging off a company publicly like this is really going to help ??? (not)... you will NOT shame Medsea or any other agent into paying you, if cash-flow is poor but you are in danger of increasing a false or negative impression of the company with out them having a right to explain of the company who have been VERY successful elsewhere. This is likely (no, WILL) put people off buying from them... which means less income and less chance of you getting paid or fulfilling your dream property.

I have bought from Medsa twice and know many others you are satisfied with their Medsea Experience in Spain, I have to admit that Italy is not known to me, the market conditions/politics may be difficult there but knowing the company I would have thought they went into Italy with the same work ethic as they have around the rest of Europe.

I truly believe the so called credit-crunch has affected all aspects of finance and property markets and Medsea are caught up in it like the rest are, through little fault of their own.

The picture is BIGGER than just you and Medsea, it's a global problem at the moment. Of course when you are trapped in the middle that doesn't help. But as a finance professional there are a LOT OF CASUALT|IES right now in all walks of life. Life's a bitch sometimes !!!

As has been said by "One in the know" He/she is correct, the Property Market is very bad at the moment, but one thing you should all understand is that the problems that Medsea are having could easily be cured by the Directors, all they have to do is declare themselves insolvent... Then no one gets anything, especially as the tax man the Banks etc.. get first pick of whats left... This is not happening though, Medsea is down sizing to keep their costs lower than their income so that they can pay off all their debts. You can call them many things, "Stupid", "Brainless idiots with no business sense" or whatever you like (Note: i've kept it polite... :-) ) but one thing I have found with Tony Gatehouse is that he has ethics, not many left like that nowadays. Give them a chance and I think you'll find that everyone will get their money.

I have read all your comments with great interest, it would appear on the surface that you all have a genuine complaint with regard to Medsea, what I find surprising is that no one has actually taken any action... Why is that? Perhaps some of your comments are a little less than honest, I am aware that commissions are not being paid on time, but they are being paid. This I know for a fact. As for being owed €34,000.00 in commission, well I challenge that, personally I think if you are owed any commission, then it is far less, or perhaps you feel you will get more sympathy if you exaggerate. If you’re genuine, why not be open about who you are? why do feel it is necessary to hide behind an anonymous name?????
I have some strong connections with Medsea, (and NO, my name is not JuanCarlos or Tony) and I can tell you all on here that they are not perfect, not by a long shot, they have made some stupid mistakes and are paying for it in a big way. But, and this is where they differ from other Companies, they are trying to settle all their debts, they are not running away or as one person on here has said, they are not “rubbing their big fat hands together” I would say it is more like wringing their hands together in despair because of the situation that they have found themselves in and this is for a number of reasons, most of which have been the fault of other Companies.
Finally, I would point out that I know people that work there, but I do not and have never worked for Medsea, so my comments are totally unbiased, I just believe that there should be some balance in all arguments and that anonymous comments just create unnecessary pain and grief.

James Newbury

James respectfully your comments and a couple of other recent posts sound totally biased to me, although you do point out that you have strong connections with Medsea including it seems the payroll department.
i think these people just want there money not exscuses. presumably they worked hard it, and for which i believe by the sound of it they are fully entitled.
Failing that i would advise them all together to pursue it all jointly.

Well, it's sometimes difficult to get a balanced view because this is an Internet forum and it is easy for people to get carried away. However, let us assume that there is some truth in these allegations for one moment.

Medsea is not doing people a 'favour' by paying commissions - this money has [probably] been rightfully earned. Furthermore, Medsea is not a backstreet agency (yes, plenty of those have gone under) - this is a public limired company listed on the Alternative Investments Market in London. If it were true [as yet, there is no evidence of that...] that payments are being systematically witheld from creditors, then this could in and of itself infer more serious underlying financial matters. By law, such information must be in the public domain under the AIM Principles of Disclosure.

I am more concerned about the allegation that Medsea lawyers have claimed an [allegedly] ex-employee was in fact never an employee at all. This could, of course, simply be a case of not being counted as a direct employee (i.e. they were deemed to be working for a 'partner' as opposed to a connected organisation), or some mis-filing of information - it does happen.

That 'employee' will have ample documentary evidence (contracts, offer letters, payslips, business cards, phone records, emails, company literature, photos showing off the new company car, etc - all the things that typically come with employment) - forget showing them to Medsea, just take them to a half-decent lawyer (one who specialises in employment rather than conveyancing) or better still the tax authorities. Organisations don't generally pay tax and SS for people that aren't actually employees... that in itself could make an interesting investigation!

And if things are as bad as people claim, then just visit the AGM and protest there. That's what I'd do if they owed me 34.000€

i am yet another ex employee of Italian connection which is part of the medsea group and have waited patiently,for my promised commisions. which have not been forthcoming either.
Some of those outstanding commisions relating to sales from more than a year ago.
I have lost touch with many ex employees but would like to get in touch through friends reunited to try and seek some redress on these issues if possible thankfully i have kept my paperwork. proof of employment.and sales lists.and would advise everyone to do the same.

I have read what has been said on here; I too am an ex –employee of the Medsea Group and have been made redundant recently. I have been in contact with friends who are still there and what I have found is disturbing to say the least; It appears that Neill Hardcastle and his wife have resigned from the Company, more staff have been made redundant in Italy and Calpe, the office in Almeria has been closed and there is a strong rumour of more redundancies in the Head office in Torrevieja.
I appreciate that I do not have the evidence to back this up, but my friends have always been reliable in the past, so if you have any ex-colleagues still employed at any of their offices I suggest you check up on this. Who knows!! The next step could be complete closure and one thing is for sure, I expect that JuanCarlos and Tony will not starve, so the only losers will be the employees and the clients who have money with Italian connection. Fortunately, Medsea do not owe me any commission, but that is more luck than judgement. I can confirm what others have said here though, Medsea are not paying commission to staff and Agents because they have already spent it shoring up their little empire and what is also an open secret is that they are heavily in debt to the Italian Developers because they have used client money to shore up the business as well.
If they owe you money, better go for them now, or it will be too late!!!!!!

I think it is disgusting that rumours are being spread like the last comment without the correct facts.

The Almeria office is NOT closed - all companies are down sizing which is sensible in the current climate.

If you are not owed any commission from Italy - you must be a terrible salesman. I know to my cost there is nothing worse than ex-employees spreading vicious and incorrect lies.

As you are in the "know" so much - you should be aware that the Calpe Office was shut about two months ago because Medsea moved the office to Benidorm!!!!!

Clued up aren't you!!! Impressive!!!

I am very clued up chummy.... The Almeria office is closed, a few staff have been kept on to cover aftersales and the occasional client that is interested in making a purchase. What Almeria is doing is working out of apartments owned by Medsea. Also I know about the Benidorm office, but as many others do not I thought it would be easier to call it the Calpe office. Still if you think I know so little, give it a few days and see what happens. If nothing then fine, I clearly know nothing, but I think you will see that I know what I am talking about. Hope for your sake your job is safe!!!! As it is quite obvious you still work there.

The Almeria office is as of today still open, for how long I don't know. How do I know it is open? I was there today. Until 30-4-08 I worked as a sales consultant with Medsea at that office when I was 1 of the 5 people who lost their jobs.

This leaves 4 people currently working.

I will try to give a balanced view and would say having read the previous postings I would say the negative points would have a ring of truth about them. I know several ex sales consultants who having left Medsea have outstanding commissions due to them both in Spain and Italy. Whilst working for Medsea my greatest frustration was getting paid my commission. Having said this it would also appear that this was not solely the fault of Medsea. Delays were mostly due to the developer having not paid Medsea.

What I disliked most was the lack of communication from head office in letting me know that I would recieve nothing. I would hopefully wait for each pay day and the result was generally the same, dissapointing.

I believe the statements made about mistakes having been made in Italy are true. What I find unacceptable is the head in the sand attitude and lack of information that comes from head office.

I would like to believe as well that Tony Gatehouse and co do have ethics but their attitude to date is not showing them in a favourable light. Hopefully the supporters of Medsea who read this might persuade them to take a different stance to that they have taken so far. I would be cheeky enough to advise Tony with all his money behind him whilst I have very little that principles cost. He could make ammends by contacting the people who believe that medsea owe money to and apologise, whilst also informing them what he intends to do to sort out the problem. its not good enough to keep ignoring people and hoping they will go away. The pressure is building up. I would remind him that the impact is not just a monetary one, these situations often cause problems to peoples marriages and their health. I would also advise him that people create sucess and not companies. What Tony achieved in the last 20 years was quite remarkable but the strength of a person is when things go wrong not when everything is going well. I fear Tony has the wrong people around him and has had to let to many good people leave the company who were loyal, hard working and honest in supporting an ethical way to do business. Sermon over!!!

I would also like to hear comments from others who have worked in the industry as this problem is not unique to Medsea, many other companies have been worse in the way they have treated people. The real eatate business in Spain has a chance to clean up its act and regain peoples confidence to purchase a place in Spain. I would also comment that I do think it is a good idea for all those with grievences to support each other but would only support action that enables an opportunity for Medsea to resolve the problem, not one that strangles them to death. That is of course should there be a change in their attitude. failing that I guess they will desereve what ever comes there way.

I would also say in balance that to date Medsea have done everything they have said they would or be it with a bit of pushing and a few minor delays. For my own sake I hope this trend continues and that outstanding money due to me will be paid as and when promised. I will keep the forum up to date with this. Lets hope sense prevails and Medsea gets back to where it once was and we all get paid. Lets not forget the clients who should also be lloked after in a better way. With out them we might all have to go back to England.

Having read all the comments everyone has written, and having worked for Medsea in Spain and Italy that most of the comments are justified. I myself, are owed many thousands of Euros which will be outstanding 2 years come September 08.

I have phoned many times, spoken to Peter McGowran and Carlos in accounts, they just pass the buck between them. As someone wrote earlier, to put their head in the sand and hope the problem goes away. Well guess what Medsea, by the amount of growing comments added here the problems just starting for you. So take heed and pay up, it's about time you faced up to your responsabilities and paid the staff what they have rightfully earned. Due to your irresponsability, my mortgage is in such arrears the bank will take my home. Do you think we can live on fresh air, if you read this Mr Tony Gatehouse, I hope you take heed of whats been said here and face your responsability along with the rest of managment and see that everyone is paid their long over due money quickly.

Why does the management shirk there responsability, is it so hard to let your staff know whats going on. You preach to your staff about being professional, yet you choose ignorence and think that people will eventually give up and go away. I think not, and as you can see we are united here in getting whats rightfully ours one way or another.

I also have been a casualty of the Medsea regime, long drawn out hours, viewing properties, dealing with clients, who I once was, because I bought through Medsea, 7 years ago in 2001, they was once a very good and very conscientious estate agents. with a very very good after sales service, but unfortunatly, they have become ruthless, all the comments that have been made about them, are I am sorry to say, VERY VERY TRUE. I also am owed thousand of Euro's, which I have been trying to get for the passed 10 months, and with I think No chance at all getting what I have worked very hard for and deserve. for the person who was defending Medsea, when you get finished and are owed thousands of Euro's, which is what you have worked long and hard for, let me hear you defend them then my friend. Long let the ball keep rolling to try and get what is rightly owed to all the ex employee's. Let Tony Gatehouse sell some of his Racehorses, which are kept in Ireland, to pay all the outstanding wages. Do the honerable thing Tony, because that was our training advice from you, be HUMBLE & HONEST.

If any faith is to be restored in this company it seems to me that it is high time the Managing Director gets his act together and keeps the promises made to currently still employed staff and the increasing number of ex-staff who have money owing to them.

As a company that has - and is still doing - a great deal of business with Medsea plc since 2003, I would say that the Spanish side of the business has been exemplary. Yes, there are developers that Medsea have had problems getting money from, but their accounts department have been open and honest about their dealings with us and payments have been made when they have been received. Things in Calabria have not been so simple with Bella Calabria SI and Giambrone & Law implicated in the controversy. I hope these matters can be resolved quickly before it damages the Italian market. Tony Gatehouse has a good deal of integrity in this business and a person the media turns to from time to time for an informed comment on the overseas property market. I hope that will always be so.

Whilst on holiday last September in the region of Almeria, I met a medsea Sales Rep who had just been given the sack that day inspite of having made 5 sales in the previous week. He was allowed to keep his car for 3 weeks in order to assist him with his future moves. He told me that there had originally been a Sales force of 10 in the medsea workforce but it was now down to 5 with his dismissal. I see that from one of the comments that these 5 have lost their jobs now and are trying to get commision owed them. What is the problem here? I would guess that the answer is manyfold with over building along the Spanish coast being one, with ex Pats now moving to countries like Bulgaria etc and the world wide financial problems - though these are too recent to have had an affect on the past problems of Reps trying to get their commisions.
The over-building, which in my eyes have ruined the beauty of the Spanish coast, was evident from the balcony of the apartment I was staying in. I counted 14 cranes within view of the balcony and some were on sites that were no longer being developed. I was taken for a ride around a vast area that was awaiting developement, which had all the services installed, including street lighting and palm trees lining the roads. I was told that this developemnet was now on hold with no date set for completion. So many of the building sites are offering no individuality so if one wants a different type of house that is unique one is not going to buy into a site where all the buildings are like every other developement along the coast. Market forces are what dictates the way a company performs and so perhaps too many potential customers are voting with their feet. None of this helps the Reps with their problems in getting what is rightfully theirs so I think that it is right to call on the owners and shareholders of medsea to tighten their belts and pay up what they owe to these Reps. It doesn't help the company's image to have all this bad publicity so as we say in the North of England "Think on!"

I am sorry to say that my Son was employed by Medsea Estates and has now been waiting for over two years to get the commissions due to him which he worked long and hard for. He has contacted them many times over the last two years and keeps getting fobbed off all the time. Why do they not pay these commissions, which run into many thousands of Euros, to all their ex-employees. Because of this situation he has fallen behind with his mortgage repayments and is now in danger of losing his house. If only they would pay him the commissions which are due to him he would be able to pay his arrears.

We think it terrible that a Company is not paying their staff what they are due. As employees we look forward to pay day and we know what stresses it can cause to a family or relationship if money is not availble at the time it is expected. PAY UP! It does not sound like there s no money left in the Company to honour this.

I am yet another member of the 'ex medsea employee' group! Although I was paid most of my commission as it was due, I am still owed a good few grand that I have worked very hard for. It is not my problem that Medsea haven't been paid by the constructor. I was employed by Medsea Estates PLC not he constructor.

Sure it is only a few grand (If I say it quickly it doesn't sound like much!) but it would make a big diffrence to my current situation, not to mention my bank balance! Lets face it; earning a living in Spain isn't easy at the best of times, let alone when you don't get paid for all your hard work, stress and effort!

I hope the genuine developers and estate agents in Spain take note of the comments made by ex-employees of Medsey. When people like me and you (reader) invest in property we expect to pay commissions to those who have helped and assisted in our purchase. Otherwise how can the world of commerce exist?

I suggest to the developers and genuine real estate agents in Spain that they should ACT NOW and pay what’s due to those people who were in their employ. If not, then don't be surprised when the honest citizens of Europe refuse to purchase your properties and go elsewhere, where sellers are of a more honourable disposition.

For the record, I have no link with Medsea but I do run a business in the UK where such treatment of staff and colleagues would be considered un-ethical and abhorrent.

Thank you everybody for your comments and I will certainly take further action. Today I have deciced to go ahead and see if anything can be done regarding the AIM. And yes, I do have proof that I´ve worked for Medsea Estates, I also have signed proof of commissions owed to me. As have several other ex-employees. Tony Gatehouse and Juan Carlos better watch this space,because I have come to the end of the rope...it is either pay up or close down. Why are you still trading if you cant pay your debt.I have contacted "Watchdog" and other companies, and are awaiting their reply. Please continue with your complaints, as it is all proof that there are plenty of people out their whom have been ripped off by Medsea.

I'm looking at this from a different perspective. I am a client of medsea, bought not so long ago, and I have to say that their service and professional approach was exemplary - until they got their hands on my deposit money.

From then on it has been a catalog of disasters - and nobody from medsea seems to give a monkeys. I've now taken legal action, but even that is proving difficult.

I hope you all get your money back, I certainly intend to get all mine back, whatever it takes.

I would like to know if the Agents sending the clients are being paid. My understanding is that they are albeit very slowly. Can someone help me out here please?

I bought a property from Medsea and have nothing but praise for the professionalism and warmth for the whole experience. The sales adviser we had told us that Medsea were the best company to work for as unlike many other estate agents overseas they were given a basic salary each month together with a car, petrol card telephone and 30 days paid leave each year. The commisssions were then paid when Medsea themselves were paid by the developer.

It seems to me that all the negative comments about commissions are unfounded as how can Medsea pay out what they haven't received? The eaisest thing for them would have been to close doors and declare insolvency then all the outstanding commissions would then have been lost.

However, the fact they are still striving under this very volatile market and money is filtering through albeit slowly shows a tremendous sign of strength and moarlaity by Tony Gatehouse. Why don't people have trust in him to do the right thing. If all these negative comments stop potential buyers from purchasing then the company would go down and no-one will get paid. Have patience and all will come good in the end.

To stop the negative comments which are clearly growing, all Medsea needs to do is act appropiately. Medsea should make the effort to contact all those with outstanding issues quickly and explain what the company intends to do about it. Once that has been done and people who believe they have outstanding commissions have been assured that they will be paid and most importantly when, the tide might turn.

It is quite possible that some clients may had cancelled and that unfortunately the amount owed is less but surely proof of any cancelations would not be too difficult to prove. Again its possible that the developers who owe Medsea money are in financial trouble as well and have not forwarded payments due yet. I would still like to feel Medsea would feel obliged to forward this information to the sales consultant and what is being done about the situation. It is the lack of communication and importance put on paying outstanding commission that causes the bad feeling and lack of trust in the company.

Information is key in my opinion to the future of the Spanish property market which has a terrible reputation at the moment. Until confidence improves things will only get worse. Action is required not advoidance and denial that we have at the moment hoping the problems go away.

It is in no ones interest to push Medsea in to insolvency and I hope this does not happen. I know the people in the office I worked in are trying their best to turn things around but the company are letting them down as well as ex employees with their attitude. All the supporters of Medsea I am sure would like to see Medsea prove they are doing something about this. Its quite simple really pay up what is genuinely owed, treat people better ( including the clients ) and start communicating.

Failure to do this would surely prove incompetence at the highest level or the doubters right and Medsea never had any intentions of treating people fairly. It would be just another nail in the spanish property market coffin.

Dont suppose any of you disgruntled reps want to spill the beans on:

a) the missing piece of land in front of block 1 we were told would be the gardens on our complex.

b) the building specification

c) completion of the external works

Very Concerned Buyer

I am amazed that none of the Directors have publicly commented on this website in response to all the concerns, even if to just refer enquirers to another site where an explanation of all the issues are dealt with. Surely all people are asking for is a clear forward plan that follows accounting / taxation rules and tells them when they will be paid?

We all know how strong the smell can be when company accounts aren't published, I can smell the stink from here in the UK even though the wind is blowing in the wrong direction...

Come on you Directors, get your act together and tell people how you plan to pay them what they are owed, and WHEN!

You are losing friends here Medsea and your venture into the USA and Canada make you look like vultures, ready to swoop on all those losing their homes to the credit crunch over there whilst you (and your clients) pick up a 'bargain'.

Would I buy shares, or anything else for that matter from Medsea? I don't think so!

Good luck to all you poor sods trying to get your dues, I hope you are successful.

Perhaps if juan carlos sold the units sitting empty he purchased in stignano mare Italy it would go some way to paying the debt to the employees and agents and help save the company ?

I noticed it all went quiet for a while after my last post.

I hope the reps will remember the buyers who were shown and told by many of you, something completely different to what we could actually get written into our contracts.

On San Rocco II we are going to be forced to complete in the next month or so on 'shell' apartments on building sites and being charged extortionate amounts of money for basic services provided by the management company set up by the builders wife. Hardly seems fair does it.

We're the real losers here having parted with our hard earned cash for a dream that you sold us.

The decent and honourable thing to do now would be for you to help us and tell us what we need to know.

I wonder how long it will go quiet for this time.....

you may want to start a seperate thread,as these are two very different and distinct areas of concern, but you will find that many reps also bought property from Medsea in it including san rocco 2 and are in exactly the same boat and in the dark as much as you are, in relation to all of the issues you have raised.
On a positive note i think you will find that the market value of the properties have risen a graet deal over the past 18 months from what these units were originally sold for.however this is not to detract from your genuine concerns that need to be addressed by both your solicitors and Medsea.

Yes, I'm sure the reps would like me to start a new thread but unfortunately I'm unwilling to sit back and see outsiders sympathise with reps who did not give their clients a property detail sheet on their inspection visits and sold them properties on the basis of the word, humble and honest as it might have sounded at the time!

If they were professional sales consultants they would have understood the implications for the buyers and would have demanded that their employer produce them. That way the buyers would get what they were shown and promised, the reps would have got paid and Tony Gatehouse would still be watching his racehorses run!

As for the properties rising over the last 18 months, if you would like to buy a property on San Rocco II I can point you in the direction of about 15 buyers on this development who would like to sell to you. I could almost guarantee you that you would never ever buy one.

I have been a Medsea Agent since 1998 and have always been paid my commission within a couple of days of Medsea themselves receiving payment. I have not sold properties in Italy so can't really comment but can only presume that if reps or indeed agents have not been paid it is probably due to the fact that Medsea have not received payment either. I have known both Tony and Juan Carlos for a long time and have always found them honourable and trustworthy.
Times are hard for all involved in property sales at the moment. Medsea have survived so far and have had to make many decisions in order to do so that have been unpopular with both staff and agents. It is in all our interests for them to ride out the storm. If that means expanding into other countries then why view this as a negative.

well what interesting reading,
yes before you start my spelling is bad so what (somethings are more important in life)

anyway i have worked for the medsea group in different forms for the last 7 years on and off, in spain and italy also as an agent.

knowing Tony, Juan Carlos, Pete, Neil and everyone else
so i feel quite quailified to tell you my opinion.

it's quite bizzare how short memories people have, whilst in italy i asked people why did you choose to work for medsea, and in 9 out of 10 cases the answer was because they are a long established company with a reputation that stands out from the rest of the property companies and that people had great respect for that having worked for some of the not so good employers. Also many people commented that they had been very impressed with the fact that Tony Gatehouse had spend alot of time with you whilst training (not something that a company chairman would normally do if they had something to hide)

yes it is true that medsea may have made some mistakes but before italy they have always been highly respected and a very financially sound upfront company as this i feel will always be the case.

lets talk about commissions of which i am still owed MORE than the previously mentioned 34,000 euros by an other ex sales person, however this is being paid not as fast as i would like but i am still getting it, but lets get back to the memory thing, we was all told that we would be paid as and when medsea receive their money and as you all know all clients monies are now paid to the solicitor then bella calabria and finally medsea get their share.
you cannont be paid for something if the company havent received it.
the problem stems from the fact that not all third party companies in italy are as honest and trustworthy as originally we were led to belive (come on we have all worked in calabria heard the rumours seen the black cars etc.

by rocking the boat ie bad mouthing medsea, talking about watchdog, taking legal action, causing unrest at the agm, etc etc all this will do is delay any payments we are waiting for. yes its a pain but i would rather have all my money coming to me over a period of time than be happy knowing that medsea have become insolvent and i will get nothing.

as for unhappy ex employees who were made redundant or sacked maybe just maybe they wasnt up to the job, yet again medsea also had the reputation that they never sacked anyone unless they did something seriously wrong ie try to steal agents or clients, so perhaps you should take a good look at yourself and your sales ability.

the comment regarding the hardcastles just goes to show how back stabbing some people can be, neil worked very hard for the company and many many long hours under great stress and pressure mostly brought on by incompetant sales people, and just remember he is in the same position as all of us waiting for money.

just a final word now,
i first worked for medsea in 2001 for about 2 and a half years i left due to being head hunted by a large company in cabo roig (stupid mistake) at the time i was owed in excess of 40,000 euros of which every euro was paid to me.

i have great respect for Tony and Juan Carlos, who have always been available either by phone or in person at the head office except if they have been in a meeting which i think is understandable, today i have just received another couple of commissions, which maybe if most of you wasnt trying to cause problems you may have got the same result.

just remember this so called undesirable company was the only one to give you a proper work contract, monthly salary, mobile phone for personal use, company car and paid expenses, plus commissions unlike many other companies i know some of you have worked previously and are still waiting to be paid commissions that will NEVER appear!

thanks bye x

Hello, I am also an agent and can honestly say after 8 years of dealing with Medsea have found them great at paying and lots of happy clients.
There is a recession going on and the fact that developers are late in paying for various reasons cannot be deemed to be medseas fault and you can have faith they are doing their utmost to resolve any payments.
Medsea have always tried to put our clients 1st and there is no other company in this present market we would trust to ride the storm more then them.
Yes we are waiting for a few commissions but we know we will get them. Many companises in this recesssion are just closing down for good.
Give Tony and team time and they will pay what is owed as they receive it and rest assured they have all clients and interests at heart.
Trust Medsea, they have an experienced management team and they will resolve this as quick as possible for all concerned. Be patient and it will happen.

I have read everyones comments and all have some merit in what they say. But speaking from experience, I have phoned many times to speak to Tony Gatehouse and had no response to get hold of him, I understnd he is a busy man but he's not busy 24/7 so I should have got hold of him at one stage or another, or at least had a call back from him. As for speaking to Carlos in accounts and Peter McGowan, they just pass the buck between them and I get nowhere. I'm owed money from Almeria office sales and Italy, these will be oustanding for 2 years come Sept 08 and I have had no money from them for 6 months or more. My house is being reposessed, my bank account is in huge arrears and if I don't get my money soon, everything I worked for in England will be lost. Even my form baja was submitted with the wrong dates so I could not claim unemployment benefit. I had great respect for the company and how I thought they worked, however my personal experience is very different to what I read and what I was told on my interview. To leave me in such a desperate situation and not respond to my calls or want to help getting my outstanding commissons is not short of incompetance, and any management who do not inform its staff and ex-employees on how they intend to resolve the situation begs a serious question on those who think they are doing their best to sort this out. I'm sorry but I cannot live on fresh air, everything has a cost to it and the longer I wait for my money the more my debts continue to rise. I've not been able to get the unemployment I was due thanks to Medsea and partly due to my own lack of knowledge on how things work here, but I'm learning quickly. Its a shame that they have taken my trust in the company and basically thrown it in the bin, I'm thankful that my parents have been able to support me at a huge sacrifice to their own standard of living being pensioners on just a state pension.

To everyone wishing to take this further please contact me on the above details. If any agents or businesses are in the same boat I will be happy to forward his contact details to you. Martin
To answer an earlier question to an exemployee who would not give his contact details to take this to Court. I have been in touch with a solicitor from Madrid who specialises in difficult cases, he has said he will take our case up. So to all you who wish to get in touch and take this further please contact me on 661032272 or on my email address at funinthesun_452004@yahoo.co.uk As you are all aware strnght is in numbers so please contact me if you want to take this further in getting your money back which you have rightfully worked hard and earnt.

Sorry to anyone who things I'm out of order here, but I don't have the luxury of savings and money in the bank to ride out this storm. If I'm going to get by then I need all the money owed to me to clear mybank arears and mortgage arrears if its not to late from stopping them repossing my home. Martin

Pontificate all you like guys but look at the shareprice. 1.50 pence to buy 1 pence to sell. Given that most Medsea sales consultants are not the brightest cookies i will spell it out in simple terms: this puppy is going bust and you are not going to get a euro cent or a turkish lira for that matter.

Ciao. Can i suggest selling caravans:-)

Stupid personal remarks don't help anyone. I think the guy Martin who published his details has the right attitude in trying to unite all with concerns. I wish him and the sensible people trying to find a solution good luck.

http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/detail?type=chart&display=chart&code=cot...

Having read the recent comments, stupid remarks is not the answer here. I have heard from 3 people to date on grouping together and taking legal action against Medsea having already metioned earlier I have s Solicitor from Madrid who is willing to take up our case.

With so many comments here I would have thought many more than three would of come forward to take action against Medsea in the correct manner, in a court.

So for all those who wish to do something constructive rather than just winge on this web site I expect you to contact me on my email address, funinthesun_452004@yahoo.co.uk As one who has said earlier, there is strenght in mumbers. So lets unite on this and take Medsea to court and get what is rightfully ours.
Martin Godfrey

Can anyone comment on why new developments in Italy are going to be sold under the banner of Property Shop and not Italian Connection and that agents have all been asked to sign new contracts to this effect?

It is beginning to sound even more dodgy.good luck in getting your problems sorted everyone.and condolences to anyone who has lost money.

We have recently bought through Italian Connection and are having serious problems with them, lawyers and builders concerned.

Does anyone know hoe to get hold of the so called "peace of mind guarantee"?

Good Luck Chris. I have friends who bought in Spain in 2001 and still have not got their deeds. Medsea just pass them back to the solicitor and think it is not their problem.

Trading figures for 2007 have been released today on London Stock exchange wevsite and also Medsea's own. They make interesting reading.

Shareprice is now 0.75p to sell and 1p to buy.

Women and children first, dont panic.

LONDON (Thomson Financial) - Medsea Estates Group Plc. said its full-year pretax loss widened on higher administrative costs and sales expenses, even as turnover rose 30 percent.

Although 2008 started better than it had expected, the AIM-listed Spain-based estate agency group said sales have continued to decline since then, which has led it to implement a series of cost-cutting measures.

"Basically, 2007 was characterised by two distinct halves: the first half of the year witnessed exceptionally strong sales growth for our Italian business as the attractiveness of properties in Calabria led to record sales of 608 units in the first half year," Medsea said.

"The unexpected complexity of operating in this market however led to cancellations and, most importantly commission collection delays in the second half of the year," it added.

For the year to end-December, the company posted a pretax loss of 1.3 million pounds from a restated 1 million last year, while turnover rose to 10.5 million pounds from 8.06 million. It described the performance as "very disappointing".

Cost of sales rose to 8.27 million pounds from 6.9 million last year, while administrative expenses rose to 3.5 million pounds from 2.1 million.

Medsea added revenue in the second half was only 4.6 million pounds on a re-stated basis, reflecting slowing activity and difficulties it had experienced due to its dependence on third parties to complete the sales processes. tfn.newsdesk@thomson.com sim/ypv/ms1

Ever get the feeling you,ve been had ! Tony, Juan . i prefere to be kissed when getting f""""""""cked . see you in court wont be long now !

Not everyone so say ripped Medsea off. The people who brought property certaintly didn't. Are you going to claim that because they had hotel room and a few meals for free they didn't deserve a legal property and good sevice. Medsea claim satisfied clients when it all goes right but do very little to help when things go wrong. Obviuously more is going wrong than right now. its not women and children first. Its Juan Carlos and Tony first and sod the rest

I would like to apologise to all the people I have let down and would like you to write to me personally with your concerns, I will deal with them promptly. I will sort out all these matters and then retire. Before I retire I will sack the people responsible for all the mistakes they have made and leave control with the decent people who still work for the company.

If Carlsberg was an Estate Agent it would probably be the Best Estate Agent in the World.

I would like to apologise to all the people I have let down and would like you to write to me personally with your concerns, I will deal with them promptly. I will sort out all these matters and then retire. Before I retire I will sack the people responsible for all the mistakes they have made and leave control with the decent people who still work for the company.

If Carlsberg was an Estate Agent it would probably be the Best Estate Agent in the World.

I remember Blue Sky Mr Collinson. They stole one of my clients whilst on an Inspection Trip that I had subsidised and the lady in question rang me when she got back and thought she had bought a property through my company/Medsea. Neil Dyson promised to pay me commission but never did so perhaps someone should start a thread complaining about Blue Sky. If you are still in business I'll have what you owe me NOW!

Collinson - I hope people like you go bust. How you can live with youselves setting up a business using other peoples resources and ripping people off etc etc and sleep at night is beyond me. As they say, when people go to Spain, they leave their brains at the airport!! I have always found that the British in Spain are totally untrustworthy. Give me a company with Spanish and English employees any day of the week. I have had people do to me what you have done to Medsea (these people never last the course so I have the last laugh - hope it happens to you - I'm still here!!) You sound like a right cocky pratt - anyone buying from you must want their head read! Have a nice day.

why don't people stick to the point instead of slagging each other off. If you are owed money be it in any capicity by medsea. (That was the original thread), then start an action group to help each other. You must have some legal protection even in Spain. United you stand and divided you fall.

Its all the back stabbing and failure on all parts to act with maturity which contributes to the bad feeling people have about buying in Spain. Surely with the global economy the way it is, no one can afford to allow this sort of thing to go on.

Remember it is customers you all want and they will vote with their feet and take their money if they have any, elsewhere.

Denise if thats realy the case i am sure will you have a lot of sympothy for the sales reps that worked themselves to the bone and have not been paid and lost homes etc as a result . Oh and Janet i am still here too and having a great day thanks . a word of advise to all you poor sods that have'nt been paid . Seek legal advise, get a solicitor working to try to recover your money and get on with your live because you have a long wait and life is to short .And dont hide behind anon :

I still think there must be strength in numbers. I don't believe that Medsea really care whilst this thread continues in the vain it does. Watchdog will feature a complaint but only if they can see enough people are making similar complaints. A united effort is required by ex employees, customers who have brought to make Medsea take any notice. When it really hits Medsea in the pocket then maybe they will react. Someone earlier said they were going to contact Watchdog, what happened and what did you do? Maybe you could post the details. This would be better than everyone doing their own thing.

Good News

The shareprice has stabilised @ 0.88 p.

The future is bright.

Love

Jaime

I also would like to add my comments. My boyfriend used to work for Medsea/Italian Connection and he is waiting on commissions. He has now left the company because it was a mess. I also worked in the aftersales department in Italy and that was also a mess, the aftersales girls all worked so hard but never got any personal satisfaction out of the job. E-mails which should be answered by the so called bosses were always passed on to aftersales to deal with. My only comment is that it is a mess and the only interests that the bosses Juan Carlos, Jaime Gonzales and Carlos Gentile have is to fill up their pockets with other peoples money. Beware....

What a dodgy outfit medsea appears to be. I'm glad I decided against buying in Spain if all the previous comments are anything to go by.

Someone earlier mentioned Watchdog. I googled Watchdog and it is very easy to register a complaint. they are having a summer break and are back in October. You can still register your complaint. They have different sections so ex employees and clients of Medsea can make they different point of view. You might find this most effective. What have you got to lose?

I have left a couple of comments previously offering advice to Medsea. I was a sales consultant in Almeria who was made redundant in April. No advice this time but in fairness to the company I wish to report that with a few reminders to date I have still received details of commissions and some payments. Its not a quick as I would like but payments have been made and I hope they still keep coming.

I need to email Tony Gatehouse and Juan Carlos, does anyone have their Medsea email address.

If you do not want to publish here, I will publish my email address.

Thanks

Lavender

I bought a property via Medsea and found the service pretty good overall.
I'm amazed to see so many different people posting here anonymously/not verfied.
Also been in touch with few friends who bought via Medsea and they are all happy.
So, this seems a Sales Rep. Commission problem, nothing else. You were all over 18 and signed a contract i believe so you can only blame yourself. Did you ever read the terms and conditions on your employment contracts ? or did you leave your brains in the sun, sand or sea !

What a cheeky and un educated git you are Mr C Lyon, sorry I meant Mr G Raffe. Sad isn't it when some one from Medsea can only pretend to be a happy client rather than attend to the problems of clients and ex employees with genuine concerns.

No, i'm not Mr Mike Cunt.
If i were pretending to be Medsea then i'd say excellent service, but thats not the case.
Infact some of their aftersales was not up-to-scratch, and pictures of my property during the last six months were never uptodate. But overall pretty good like i said.
I had been out with Atlas, and they seemed very good, but i never bought through them. Parador are the worst, heard too many horror stories with them.
So, NO, i dont work or ever worked for Medsea, but just amazed how many reps here didnt even know who they worked for (where the buck stopped).

Now, now Mr Giraffe there is no need for bad language. Lets for one minute accept you are a genuine client of Medsea. What gives you the right to slag off ex employees and other clients who do have problems with Medsea. Something that you know nothing about personally. I accept that there are happy clients of Medsea and a few happy ex employees. Why don't you just say that your experience with Medsea was ok and keep your witty remarks about the mental ability of clients and ex employees to yourself.

I am one of the friends of Mr G Raffe who also brought a property via Medsea in Italy. We were very happy with our sales consultant Biggus Dickus, who could not have been more helpful. Another mutual friend of ours Mr P Nus was also delighted. Although we all agree the aftersales service could have been a bit better.

Nice to see a 'family' bond here..... LOL !

I did not buy in Italy, actually bought in Spain.

Ex-Employees seem very very bitter here. Few are happy.
There is one thing i noticed which probably explains some of my initial thoughts....
I have been out with Medsea on quite a few occasions, on the free trips, all paid for by Medsea etc, NEVER got the same rep. - I was told they either left, moved away etc which i thought very odd. But after reading some of your issues here, i can understand not being paid commissions - But what i was saying initially is, buyers land at airport and leave brains there, just seems as though reps did the same. Temptations of moving from UK to Spain/Italy, car, food at restaurants, nice weather etc etc but you forgot to read your employment contract !

If this company falls from its feet, it wont stand up again ---- hmmmmmm..... reminds me of an animal !

Adios ! or is it Idiots ?

Mr Raffe, do I detect a slight desire on your part to consider another point of view and not just insult ex employees and clients who have experinced problems with Medsea. Let us for one moment debate on a more serious point of view.

Almost without exception Medsea clients are from the UK as are most of the sales consultants. Being from the UK we are use to certain protection regarding employeement and consumer rights. Medsea being a PLC I believe gives the impression that everyone can expect the same level of protection. Unfortunately this is far from the case. Yes, some of the comments on this forum have done little to help but there is a serious point. There are clients who having purchased through companies like Medsea have lost out financially. As well as hard working ex employee's who have not been treated fairly.

Surely this is the point that companies such as Medsea should they wish to keep trading, meet their obligations. Anyone can say they have a "peace of mind charter " but what if it is worthless. Even if some of the problems are not of Medsea's creation, it is worthless if a client is not compensated when it all goes wrong. If you are going to claim it, then you have to back it up.

Maybe Medsea and others should really be saying " we can't guarantee anything but will do our best and you are on your own when it goes wrong "

Regarding your point that you had a differnt consultant every time. This must draw concerns as to the recruitment policy of the company. Job opportunities for ex pats are few and far between so Medsea can pick the best of the best. Who would leave a job if you were being treated well and paid on time? Maybe some left as they were un happy with their conditions and having to sell developments in which they had no confidence.

Hopefully you can support fairness for all?

Happy clients mr G Raff etc

Medsea used to add 20% commision to resale properties and recieve more from new property sales which were inflated by the builders to incorperate the commision from medsea .
so you got ripped off too .

cmon lads spill the beans you wont get paid so join together on this forum , people are starting to take notice here . i am sure you all have stories of the huge somes of money medsea were putting on resale properties . maybe thats the sort of info that medsea won't want let out .

I have looked at this thread and it seems clear that there are issues regarding monies owing to sales consultants that need to be addressed.If this company had any intention of paying surely by now they would have written to all the sales consultants who are owed money outlining there payment proposals and exspaining what they are going to do about it and stem the tide.someone said the sales consultants were not the brightest here it seems to me more like its the management that are not the brightest bunch.

Is one of medsea's agent facing high court proceedings and why.

Are the agents getting paid does any one know ?

I suspect agents will always,s be paid as they are the life blood of the company , its only the sales reps that are not getting paid . make no mistake MEDSEA ESTATES know how hard it is to follow the legal system in spain and how long it takes through the courts , they know that x reps will just give up and in a lot of cases retuen to the uk . the sales reps are the easy targets to be ripped off the agents as long as they keep sending clients wiil at the moment at least be paid , but they should beware . it could take 4-5 years to take these peaple to court in spain and by that time Medsea will be long gone :

anon,
Your comment regards builders charging extra to cover the commission they had to pay Medsea, hence saying i too got ripped off.
Well let me tell you something - The place i bought, i had seen prior to my trip seperate to Medsea. I checked all prices directly to me and then went via Medsea for that extra support. The price was the same regardless. I still have all price lists which i have compared and prices paid by some people who 'done it on their own' are the same.

You might find that using a dictionary to type your posts might help.

Good luck with your anti-venture ;-)

Anon, you suggest Medsea won't want details of commission they add to resales becoming public knowledge.

I disagree with you.

I think you will find Medsea will be quite happy for ex sales people and clients to slag them off on this post. What they really wouldn't want is for it to become public. E.G Watchdog and the press in the UK. The thing is there doesn't seem to be the motivation from people posting to this thread to organize themselves.

Maybe the suggestion by some, that ex sales people arn't the brightest is true.

Mr G Raffe, what actually is your point here? Is it to tell everyone how clever you are at spelling or to insult people with genuine problems. May I suggest you spend more time asking your parents why they gave you such a silly name. Well done sir on your property purchase and may I wish you many happy years enjoying the sunshine. What is the name of the development you purchased at? is it "I'm All Right Jack." Assuming for one second you are more real than your name.

mr g raff
i think your sticking your neck out a bit here , now that the fall in the spanish property market is here you should understand that a 20% drop in prices in spain is only realy a true market value without the huge commisions added . why dont you have a look at the prices of simlar new properties today .PENNY DROPED YET ?

Mike,
Asked my parents.... they're camels so they'll get the hump ! LOL !
I was only responding to anon's comments that the price is different, more through Medsea, due to commissions, but thats not true. Prices are fixed whether you buy via any agent or if you buy on your own. Why buy on your own if you can get some help along the way, for the same price.

anon, PENNY DROPED YET ? or PENNY DROPPED YET ?
.... no, but the euro has !

No hard feelings chaps, just posting my views from a 'client' side; rep and xreps have some issues and i hope you get them sorted !

;-)

mr g raffe

lo siento por mi ortografia, pero el ingles no es mi primer idioma, si usted prefiere nosotros podriamos hablar en español, eso es mejor para mi, pero yo no se si usted entiende español lo cual es un problema .

sorry for my spelling mr g raffe but english is not my first language , if you prefer we convirse in my native language this is better for me . i suspect you not great at spelling in my language either .

good luck mr graffe y un saludo

ahah ! thats explains it anon.
No problem, i would also struggle with your first language.
Fair cop, mate.
Although a correction is due in alot of world property markets, incl UK, the drop will not be as bad as predicted.
I have noticed, that having the right property/quality in the right place holds a good value on the property, especially in Spain. Without giving too much away (i dont want wildlife experts to come looking for giraffes in my urbanisation) that the urbanisation i am in is real great. Prices are holding well and smaller apt's are selling quick, even on resale. Infact, the smaller apt's all sold ages ago.
Anyway, your issue on this thread is commissions, and so you better start working on it - Get down to Torrevieja office and demand to see Tony ! if he's not there, then he'll probably be in the sex shop across the road, enjoying your commissions on lovely ladies ! LOL - only kidding :-)
take care !

just found this forum,I also worked for this medsea company in Calabria,an absolute waste of time,I am still owed 25.000 € and have received nothing not one cent,not even all my expenses from taking clients for cappuccino and ice cream.I did get to meet some nice people and also not so nice.The staff have all left apart from four sales people ,and I reckon they will leave soon too ,maybe to work with Neil in Caravan sales, at least they will earn something .It still seems strange that Mr Gatehouse ever got involved with this ,I mean who in the world would open an office in a place like Calabria and not expect problems.When driving in this part of Italy along the coast it is plain to see if the unfinished buildings mainly apartment blocks ever get finished they wouldnt need to build any more for 30 years .It looks like this property scam has been worked before with other green as grass companies who bring clients from abroad to buy holiday homes with hard earnt savings.

Maybe not enough scandal for a movie but enough for a Watchdog Feature I would have thought? Get emailing Watchdog everyone.

Would Trevor Mcdonald like to make a program about this injustice,maybe

I have contacted Watchdog 3 times with no reply so far. I think this calls for a more agressive action. Less talk and more action. Why not all deside on a date for everybody to meet at the Medsea Office with posters and demand our monies back.Call a local News Paper and stand outside the doors until we get some answers? I think this is the only way we will see our monies and get answers. Lawyers, yes we all want to do that, but we dont have the time...we not stupid, if we had the money to go to exspensive Lawyers then we all would have gone down that road.The sooner we get down to the office and demand to see someone the better!!!

I understand from a good source that many agents (if not all) are not getting paid and that they are now stopping selling their products. This must be a crazy situation for medsea to get into, when this is their life blood relying on agents to send clients. Agents apparently have to keep quiet or they wont get paid, least if they are seen to be trouble makers for Medsea.
There apparently does not seem to be any action just false promises.
If many of the agents are not selling their products it will only be a matter of time for Medsea to go 'POP'
unless they release some money from their own pockets to help them out. My source says that no one there seems bothered and the excuses just keep on rolling. I hope Medsea do something about this soon before it is too late for staff, agents and Medsea themselves.Personally, I think the fact they are not responding positively, suggest they are on the way down the pan. If they arent, then the company would make some responses on this forum......No ??/
Good luck to all chasing money.

Priscilla, I think the reason you have not heard anything from Watchdog i would suggest, is the website clearly says they are closed for the summer and will not be working again until October. You can still leave a message and I would encourage everyone to do so. I admire your spirit for wanting to protest outside the medsea office but I doubt you would be able to arrange for everyone to get there. I would love to support you there in person but it would be very expensive to travel from England. Good luck anyway and I hope you get something off the ground.

Latest News on Medsea ,agents in the U.K are not being PAID commissions on sales in SPAIN .This is a FACT .It seems the Medsea gravy train is slowing down .Screwing staff is one thing but to lynch your agents is just plain nuts.This motley crew will be finished in six months.And we can all kiss our money goodbye.

Your lucky .

if you are a medsea rep do your self a favour and sell your next client on an inspection trip a house privatly so as to secure a payment and leave . agents check your no sales you wonder why certain reps are dishonest ? when they dont get paid when they leave . it happens all the time within medsea and you still send them clients .

I am not a Medsea rep I am an Agent. I think this thread has now run its course - people are just being stupid now.

Janet, I doubt it has run its course unless medsea start paying everyone. Even if only half the things said were true thats still a lot of unhappy people. It won't take long before this spreads, that I am sure of. You never know you might have a change of heart youself if you don't get paid.

if a rep steals a client you blame the rep . but you continue to send clients to this company who are making people homeless by not paying them commisions owed . who could blame a rep for taking what he can before its to late ? i bet you would be screaming blue murder that you had been ripped off but these reps are bieng ripped off every time they sell a house .

Don't give up, keep the pressure on. Watchdog is back in October. I'm sure if enough people complain to them they will cover this storey. That gives medsea a little bit of time to start sorting the problems everyone has if they want to. If not well so be it. They did have other options rather than running away.

Whats the story with El Caribe, medseas Calabrian flagship ,will they ever build this resort?.I hope so or all the investors will not be happy .

I doubt this will ever get built ,the developers need permissions licences ect, and they have to buy the land of the farmer,who probably does not know its for sale let alone to have apartments all over it with pools and tennis courts .The beach is surposed to resemble the Carribean ,now thats taking this to far........

Its just one thing after another. I cant believe the extent of potential troubled waters. Its appears MEDSEA can run riot whenever and wherever the want.

I wonder if any one in the Italian CON nection office in Italy has realised that before you promote a new development to investors and holiday home buyers you should at least find out if it is legal.This is typical of large dont give a shit im alright jack companies who feed and live a life of luxury made from conning property buyers.This has to be stopped ,lives are being ruined .As for the agents and sales guys of which I am an ex employee ,write to newspapers in Spain and the U.K . and contact Watchdog today.

ok i have just emailed watchdog , so thats 1 complaint . i will email again next week if i have no response . email watchdog everyone and confirm via this forum then we will have some idea of the number of complaints they have recieved, if you have no responce email again next week .. lets try and get organized . also the national newspapers in the uk . but lets try and track what we are doing . work as a team.

This has to be one of the biggest scams in the history of scamming people,50% down rest when completed ,no commission to staff or agents some buildings never get built and this company is still going and it is a PLC company ,it just gets better .This is documentory material,front page news even Sky news.Maybe a film with Tony running to Brazil with all the loot .

with his personal rent boy juan carlos close behind .

I have also sent email to Watchdog, so that is at least 2 of us. I'm confused why previous person who said they had sent email was expecting a reply. It clearly says closed for summer, will be back in October. I would guess at least 20 or more people would need to complain to get any interest. Seeing as the comments now total 150 and allowing for the fact that probably could be ony 50 real comments, if all 50 did email Watchdog we should hit are target. Not 70% closing but should be alright.

www.bbc.co.uk/watchdog

Well now we are 3 who contacted Watchdog!!! Come on guys get cracking guys.

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Hello - is anybody out there?

I think they are waiting for watchdog to come back,but if you are owed money i know they sure as hell have it. but its probably best to follow the legal route whether you are a agent a ex employee or someone who has been waiting two years for there property to be built and not a block laid.go and get your money.

How are you so sure they have any money????? Would you like to explain. I must also say what a poor response to the watchdog idea. All at Medsea must be pissing them selfs laughing at the feeble effort so far

Just wrote to watchdog ,hope it gets read

well done James,come on chaps keep the faith they want us to give up ;

Might I make a suggestion, if you are an ex employee you must know other ex employees and clients? ask for their support and get them to read this thread. Also ask them to contact Watchdog.

If you are an Agent who is experincing problems, check with other agents, whats their storey?

If you are a disatisfied customer, get onto other forums and draw their attention to this thread and again ask for their support.

Infact anyone who is owed money by Medsea, spread the word.

Good luck

Glad to see a bit more activity again. I don't think this has run its course yet

i bought a offplan development nearly two years ago on el Caribe in Italy the site has still not been touched.why was this property sold to me without the correct licenses in place,

May I suggest Andy you ask Watchdog, they might be able to get you an answer. I doubt you will get a sensible reply on here. A lot of people, for a lot of different reasons have questions that they want Medsea to answer. Medsea will keep ducking and diving until you give up.

Hi guys heres a letter you can send to watchdog to save you hassle. you just need to copy and paste it to your email or Word etc and then fill in the dates and amounts. and then just send it!!! If we just stick to the facts they may listen and do soemthing

Dear Watchdog
from (date) to (date) I was a sales consultant/agent (put in what applies to you) with the medsea group and sold properties on behalf of Medsea in Italy. The Italian branch of medsea was called ItalianConnection. During this period I sold (number) properties and was due (amount) in commission. Unfortunately I have still not receved the money I am due and although I have made (number) request to Medsea by phone letter and email they will not pay. Most of the time my requests and communication are completely ignored by Medsea.
They have stopped selling through Italian connection and are trying to make any remaining agents sign a new contract with “Property Market”. I think this means that we would then lose any rights we have under Medsea/Italian connection.
There are many other agents and sales consultants who are in the same boat as me and many have had to live on there savings this last year and are now completely broke. The CEO and the chairman still managed to earn nearly half a million pounds (including emoluments) between them last year whilst completely ignoring the plight of their agents and Italian sales consultants.

Heres the webpage for medsea accounts.

www.medseaestates-ir.com/financial/results/Annual-2007.pdf

I checked page 12, directors remuneration and Tony and juan carlos earnt 425,000 between them last year; so yes, nearly half a million pounds. I not stupid enough to beleive thats all they got either!
Note 11 list of companies medsea own or part own.

Note 25 Directors interests. certainly been some shifting of assets
Note 14 look at the note at the bottom of the page, confirmation that they recieved the money from clients on behalf of bellacalabra.

Broke Agent, a good start to bring things to the surface. Don't forget the customer in all this though. This thread has only scratched the surface. there are 100's of unhappy customers who I am sure will start to join in if Watchdog features Medsea. Then watch it snowball.

Just so that customer,s are aware all reps and agents working for medsea are told during there training that medsea estates only work with developer,s that have all licences etc in place and that the after sales are second to none .

What a shame the person leaving a message pointing out spelling, grammer, and punctuation got lost on page 1. Maybe you could have another try. What should we say about Medsea Estates and all its other companies.

payment to employees - shocking
payment to agents - appalling
payment to others - disgraceful

customer care - rubbish
loyalty - non existent
ethical business - worse than timeshare

looking after a chosen few - excellent

Suggested action :- Look for another job, unless you are one of Tony Gatehohse's chosen few, if you are then I guess you don't really care about your actions or the innocent people who have been ripped off. Mind you what goes around, comes around. You are obviously a clever person, you might get on mastermind. Specialist subject? Being a lighthouse in the desert. Very bright but of no practical use.

Your working life, getting shorter. Sleep well xx

I worked for medsea ,not out of choice ,I was hardup and needed a new start ,my bank account was in the red .The advert in the paper said earnings of whatever,, more than I expected for selling off-plan in Italy ,so I went.Never got paid ,I had to borrow money to live ,four months living like a refugee in a crap apartment I had to pay for .The clients had to be stupid to buy this stuff ,it was clear as daylight it was illegal and everyone at medsea new it .I am still broke .

Janet (agent)
I am sorry but your fellow agents are not getting paid....simple ! As everyone says you are obviously in the few as you are still sending clients. Why send clients when so many agents and staff are not getting paid, does your business not have ethics into what may happen ? If my fellow agents were not getting paid, I would stay well clear until told otherwise.
Medsea have to sort this situation out or their business wil not sustain this bad publicity.
Medsea......why are you not sorting out this mess, before the s...t hits the fan, which it is going to do ! You are obviously reading this forum so be good and respond...or accept the critiscm and be found guilty !

I am afraid Medsea have proved me wrong as well. I was made redundant in April this year. I was a sales consultant in Almeria. The company gave me a letter stating I would get paid all my outstanding commission. To date they have paid me one and a half commissions and deducted one for a cancelation. This meant I got 300€ . They will not provide me with proof that they repaid that commission to the developer and fail to reply to my emails.

I have been waiting since October 2007 for one of my commission's. I am now fed up and feel that the comments on here regarding Medsea must be true. I had wanted to believe what my boss Lawson Langley had told me. He said I would get paid as soon as Medsea had been paid. Now he seems to be changing his position and is telling me that Medsea does not have the money to pay me at the moment. I am not blaming him personally, by the way. I am blaming the company. Before I was made redundant it was always difficult to predict what you might earn each month as there was often delays in getting paid. It was also clear that things were not going well. I thought I was part of a team trying to make the situation better and pull through. My rewards for this was redundancy and not being paid what I had earnt.

Medsea seem quite comfortable in shafting anyone they can. so if you are still supporting the company, be careful. Ask yourself this, Are you owed money, are you still keeping them sweet in an attempt to get paid whats outstanding. Do you feel you are believing what Medsea tell you because its what you want to believe. Are you chasing them but never get a call from them telling you before a problem has arisen. If like me you have wanted to believe in Medsea's propaganda be warned, you are likely to get caught out.

I would suggest a new stratergy. Stop your cooperation for a month or two. Stop sending more clients or staying silient. Tell people how you have been treated. Maybe this might encourage Medsea to treat people with more respect. If they go out of business, so what! Its what they deserve, they don't seem to care if we do. There is a lot more information which can reach the public's attention and it will. Medsea's tatic has been to isolate people until they give up, keep people hanging on with promises. I think even their friends are starting to realise its just money to them and they want to keep us much as than can for themselves.

If Medsea want our cooperation then they need to pay for it.

I am also going to use the draft letter above to send to watchdog. I have been patiently watching the forum but not contributing - giving Medsea the benefit of the doubt. I now have to leave Spain anyway as I've nothing left to live on, so not got anything more to lose. My commission sheets from Italian Connections show 59,000 euros outstanding, of which i doubt I'll receive a penny now.

Even Peter McGowan is ignoring my emails, he did used to at least respond even though there was little information given.

I now hear that all medseaestates.com emails are now medsea.org. If this means a change of company name, it usually only means one thing.

Well it seems finally Agents are coming out the woodwork, admitting they are not getting paid, and more to come. Its disgraceful Medsea should treat the agents this way, considering it was agents that made them their fortune. I would urge all agents to STOP sending clients until Medsea decide to pay these outstanding commissions and staff money owed as this is the only way it will hit them hard. Who cares about them now, they dont care about agents or staff.
Having read the financial report above, I can only say they are liars and cheats and no one should believe anything that comes from their mouths, as it is just excuses, lies and deceit. They are nothing more than thieves and dont care if agents go bust as long as they (the chiefs)are being paid their huge €400,000 salaries. (from the report)Thats how much they care.

And coming out with a vengeance! I have lived 7 years in Spain, have run my own estate agency & websites and sent a lot of clients as well as referral leads to Medsea. In early 2006 I put a lot of effort and money into promoting Calabria and sent a quite a few clients there.

I still haven't been paid for some of my clients who initially went to Italy when the San Rocco development was first launched. Agents should be paid their commissions when clients pay their 50% payments (which in my case were over a year ago now), but Medsea deny having the money, they say Bellacalabria are witholding it.

I haven't sent clients to Medsea at all recently, and won't until these issues have been resolved. I now send my clients elsewhere, which is a shame as they were easy to work with when it came to Spanish property and payments were made on time. As someone mentions earlier, us agents are Medsea's bread and butter so should be treated far better than this. Surely, Tony, the sale of a racehorse or two would pay many of us off? I would be happy to report back to this forum and let everyone on it know if I received any payments!

Regarding watchdog, newspapers, all meeting at torrevieja ect. I'm happy to do any of that, but i think the best place to get an audience is the internet, and unless anyone is specifically searching for 'Medsea, complaints', they are unlikely to find this forum. A number of years ago i had a problem with an investment company who wouldn't return my share money. I issued a press release and a small website using their company name as keywords. Once it hit Google at number one for that keyword, I sent faxes and emails with the links and relevant keywords for them to try. I told them I would immediately take them down if they paid me. Within 5 days, after waiting 7 months, i had my money. I think something along similar lines should be done in this case, the more people that are aware of the situation the better, and the more pressure there is on Medsea to respond.

Its good to see there are a few other agents out there who have not been paid. If Medsea are watching this, we will set up a forum and send an email to all your agents that you deal with NOT TO DEAL WITH YOU UNLESS YOU PAY OUR COMMISSIONS QUICKLY your time of talking is over. Pay up or watch your business slowly shut down. The internet is a powerful medium and your time is running out, Trust us agents, this will happen.Agents will not tolerate not getting paid any more and we will damage your business beyond your expectation. Forget if we shut you down we wont get paid, as you are not paying us anyway and NO SIGN OF IT COMING. Dont think you will simply shut one part down either. Your time is running and out and patience wearing thin. If you want your business with agents to continue, pay or be warned, you dont have long left before the s...t will hit the fan. Sell your assets or racehorses, either way sell something but patience is running thin.

Its quite a normal human reaction to be selfish and only think about your self. Might I suggest unity is required here. Agents doing things by themselves or ex employees doing it on their own weakens the case. Lets not forget the clients who have past and existing problems. Is there a volunteer to coordinate all points of view, from all parties?

Watchdog, website, protests and agents stopping sending any clients will all help i'm sure.

It needs to be organised and sustained to work. Lets get together all the pieces of the jigsaw and make a complete picture.

Lets also be honest, Medsea are very unlikely to pay anyone but at least everyone can have the satisfaction of driving them out of business. The credit crunch has done its bit to close down a lot of companies along with the bad press. Medsea are only surviving due to them not paying anyone. Maybe when the cleansing has been done new companies will come back to the market and do things properly.

why not

www.medseaestatescomplaints.com or www.medseaesatesvictims.com this would show up when medsea is searched for would it not ?

Personal Message for Rob Scott Jones

Medsea do not sell property for Mar Y Casas anymore, has this anything to do with a court case against Medsea's agent. Can you post me your email Ive some info that may be beneficial

Message for anonymous buyer from Rob Scott- Jones

Don't you think you should share this information for everyones benefit. Yes I would love to think that there was some small piece of valuable information that I had, to persuade the powers at Medsea to pay me what they owe me. I really didn't want be bothered with all this and would really just like to get on with things. Unfortunately I seem to be being pushed that way as the people I trusted to play fair have let me down. Having said all that I have stated to those at Medsea I will give it to tommorrow to see if they want to play fair, if not I will join in properly with this campaign and pursue other options available to me. I am telling you this to be straight with you, so if in light of my comments you still want to email me personally then you can at robandsher@hotmail.com

I take it we have met before and I think I have an idea of who you might be. Obviously I will respect your privacy.

Thanks Rob

Yes, You do have an idea of who I am, I am not from the UK or Spain. I have stirred up trouble for Medsea, Mar Y Casas and an Agent for Medsea. As you know legal proceedings have already started, I will get clearance from my legal team first before i will contact you,I will contact you in good time, thanks for your email, I promise to contact you. I'm sure my name has popped up in Spain alot. Thanks.

Agents are not getting their payments either, Medsea are not replying to my emails or posts. What options are open to us as victims of this abuse

Medsea are cruel bastards and I hope they go fucking bankrupt, they are not paying anyboby anything according to their head office, I stated I'll see them in court, they replied to me that I should fuck off, their response was that it will never go to court and I will not win away they seem to be able to do what they want

If there is anybody out who wants information for information with regard this company Medsea please contact me, Im owed 24,000 euro and they are not getting away with it.

anyone have gatehouse,s home address ?
mgowans ? martinez ?

These people are hiding from all of the ex employees nobody seems to know where they are, are they even within the area it remains to be seen! I'm owed money for 14 months now and they are not paying up period.- The legal system is pathetic over there so Medsea can do what they like, I will be reporting Medsea for selling properties to clients that doesn't even have any building licenses.

take a look at www.eyeontheworld.com/off plan sanrocco 1
and see what that medsea clients are saying .

I can't find it anon help!

Tony Gatehouse lives in Horsham. Suggest you try Bt.com and hope he is not ex directory

To all ex employees

Im advising you now to take legal action against Tony Gatehouse in the UK courts to try and retrieve our commissions, Forget Spanish legal System, too long, etc, appeals we could go on and on. Im in the process of initiating legal proceedings in the UK where Im guaranteed to get fair play.

Hi I found this address and telephone number...hope it helps

T Gatehouse
Tel: (01403) 252108 - Text Number
13 Potters Pl Springfield Rd, Horsham, RH12 2PL - Map

sorry its www.eyeonworldwide.com

Hi again,

If this is the correct address then I suggest that we all go their and pickard at his gates!!! Lets do something concrete and instead of all this pussy futting around!!!
What do you all say, anyone game to go?

Lets agree on a date.......

Don't you think Tony is too suntanned to be living in Horsham!!!!!

What about the newspapers all of them, even the sad free ones they have in Spain.If we all contact them ,they have to do a story on the corruption that Medsea are dealing in .How they advertised for staff then ripped them all off ,how they made sales people loose homes and caused misery to their families ,how their customers have lost all their money on Italian off-plan never to be built properties in crime ridden calabria .this company has to be shamed and driven to out .Plc companies should not be able to get away with this crime......Why are the idiot agents still sending people to this shitty part of italy to be ripped off ?

Bella calabria are taking Medsea to the high court in Italy.They have paid all monies to medsea .Medsea have taken the money and they want to keep it .their is proof of this in a document that Bella calabria have .All will come out soon .British T.V . should make a documentory of this wrong doing.I hope Medsea, like all the other ripp off companies on the costas are shamed too.I also hope the people who bought properties in Calabria get their money back and the staff get paid, unlikely for a few years ,knowing Tony and his lawyers he will drag this out untill you all get tired .

Hi again guys,

I think Anon of 5th Aug is right, we need to coordinate.If you all want to send your (brief) story to me including the amount owed, etc and whethter your an agent or a client I'll coordinate this into a meanigful report. And then we could send it to Watchdog etc.

tony.medsea@yahoo.co.uk - good eh, i couldnt resist it!

BTW the person who wrote about grammar, punctuation etc: some of us, me included, dont want to reveal there identity yet and sometines your style of writing can do this. please dont get hung up on my bad writing - come the time to send it to watchdog etc, it will be written perfectly!

I havent sent anyone to italy for nearly a year when things started to look iffy. Its cost me a fortune in lost revnue and i still paid all the fares fro my clients - but i can sleep at night.

If your an agent whose still sending clients to italy please dont bother sending me your story.I dont want to help anyone who isnt looking after their clients because that means your as unethical as medsea. sorry to rant but if we expect better from medsea we have to behave properly ourselves.

p.s. heres the letter again to send to watchdog if you want to. you just need to copy and paste it to your email or Word etc and then fill in the dates and amounts:

Dear Watchdog
from (date) to (date) I was a sales consultant/agent (put in what applies to you) with the medsea group and sold properties on behalf of Medsea in Italy. The Italian branch of medsea was called ItalianConnection. During this period I sold (number) properties and was due (amount) in commission. Unfortunately I have still not receved the money I am due and although I have made (number) request to Medsea by phone letter and email they will not pay. Most of the time my requests and communication are completely ignored by Medsea.
They have stopped selling through Italian connection and are trying to make any remaining agents sign a new contract with “Property Market”. I think this means that we would then lose any rights we have under Medsea/Italian connection.
There are many other agents and sales consultants who are in the same boat as me and many have had to live on there savings this last year and are now completely broke. The CEO and the chairman still managed to earn nearly half a million pounds (including emoluments) between them last year whilst completely ignoring the plight of their agents and Italian sales consultants.

Anonagent - the 50% deposits were originally collected and paid to medsea - sometimes via gaimbrone but sometimes directly to medsea. medsea never passed it over which is waht started to sour the relationship with bellacalabria.

bellacalabria have refused to pay any monies which they now receive from giambrone as they say that medsea have already received their commission(by way of an upfront payent by keeping all the original deposits). I hope that makes sense.

in there accounts they even admit to having collected the money in the first place - it also says theyve offset it in the accounts. that means theyve created a debit figure to counteract it - it doesn't mean theyve paid it!!

Thanks broke agent. There are a lot of conflicting stories here and we all need to unravel this to see where the fault lies, if indeed it can be unravelled! Do you trust Bella Calabria to tell you the truth? Do you trust Medsea to tell you the truth? Personally I trust no-one except perhaps the buyers who are painting a horrendous picture of what is going on with the money - no wonder everyone is not getting paid

From the client contracts I have seen, there are 3 or 4 flow of monies

Money from clients that did not use Giambrone & Law went

either
a) straight to builder or
b) straight to Bella Calabria

Money from clients that did use Giambrone & Law went to Italian Connection

And some clients sent their money to Medsea on the due date on the reservation form.

So what you are saying broke agent is that Bella Calabria are claiming that the money that Giambrone & Law and the individual clients sent to Italian Connection has never been paid to Bella Calabria.

And Frank is now saying that Bella Calabria are taking Medsea to the high court to recover these sums

Bella Calabria are not now paying commissions to Medsea/Italian Connection from payments they receive directly from the clients because of the money that Italian Connection is withholding.

Lets just clear up first what we know to be true and then see if we can come up with a positive action plan in which everyone gets what they want

And please, no more mention of Watchdog - Watchdog is a consumer rights programme and they will be supporting the buyers, if anything the reps and the agents are part of the problem and we will be targetted by Watchdog, particularly those still sending clients to Italy!

lets get the first step right first of all, up untill around 8 months ago the initial three thousand euros reservation fee was going direct into Medsea account in spain via credit card machine on all italian transactions.I believe this money sould of been paid direct to the builder or Bella Calabria,multiply that by the many hundreds of sales taken over the past couple of years and you have a very sizeable amount of money gone where it sould not have in the first instance directly into the Medsea Bank account.

To all ex employees.
Im currently a staff member for Medsea but wouldn't mention branch or area, having said this I am aware that I shall be receiving my letter to leave within days now. Medsea have almost recovered all of their payments from all developers and have absolutely no intention of paying any of the ex- employees whatsoever, Medsea are leading ye on big time with soft stories. Medsea are aware that the Market will never be the same again as it used to be, they will successfully argue in the courts that they are financially unsecure so therefore none of ye will receive your payments. believe I have heard this from the horse's mouth.

Im refering to spanish builders not italian, yes all monies fully recovered I know this with certainty that monies have been recovered along time ago.

Im refering to spanish builders not italian, yes all monies fully recovered I know this with certainty that monies have been recovered along time ago.

Depending on the development it was more than likely paid months ago,please at this late stage, please do not be naieve, the truth is we have all been stung, on a grand scale whether skint agent,skint ex employee,or a client who has had there dreams shattered, by being sold what we were informed, by senior management was fully licensed property.
shame on you all for letting so many good people down we shall not forget.

I fear that the person claiming to be still employed is correct. Once Medsea have sucked out any benefit they can from you, its all about keeping eveything they can for themselves. Every dog has its day mind you. I have not forgotten just yet!

We seem to have different priorirties. We have Italy and Spain, ex employee's and agents and of course clients. One common link though is Medsea.

What a bunch of crooks they are. Tony would appear to be as real as his hair and Pete is like he acts, a dodgy used car salesman. I will never forget Pete's comments in one of our sales meeting when he said it would take 15 years to F**king destroy Calabria. He got that wrong it only took 15 months for him to muck it up. He was such a charming man when he swore, I mean spoke.

It may well be that we have lost our money but we can still get some satisfaction if we pull together to expose these crooks. Hit them back where it will hurt most, in the pocket. I would suggest everyone now needs to decide what course of action they want to take. I would prefer to take any legal action possible to see if I can get outstanding money, whilst helping to drive this company out of existence by exposing them for what they are. Terrible employers and bad news for anyone considering an overseas property purhase.

I would appeal to any agents reading this and who are still sending clients to stop.

You may think by keeping them happy you will get your outstanding commission due and you might in fits and starts. I thought that once, keep selling and I will get my commission but trust me once I outlasted my usefulness the payments stopped. They will always have the upper hand.

I have many other suggestions up my sleeve which for now I will remain quiet about. I don't want to give Medsea advanced warning. Its fair to say I think I can recover some if not all or more than they owe me. It could be possible that a lot of people on here could do as well with a different approach.

I think as well I can cost Medsea far more.

Hello, all its me again a current staff employee

This Rob Scott guy has made a very valid point, in the last 14 days alone agents have referred over 7 clients who did eventualy purchase from Medsea. I genuinely blame most agents who continue to send over clients to Medsea in the hope that Medsea will pay their monies , how foolish are they, whats wrong with ye for christ sake. another serious problem is that senior Medsea officials are very aware of this website so please be very careful guys OK.

I think I know what Rob is talking about in the last sentence about taking a different approach, numerous lawsuits have been taken against Medsea and some of their Agents who are weel insured, Ye ought to consider this as Medsea will almost guarantee to pay up then if they thaught you would gave evidence against them Im aware of 2 cases currently, seriously guys.

To current employee

I am sorry to hear you feel you are about to lose your job, I know how that feels.

I am glad you said that senior management is viewing this thread. That is why I only publish the truth. If I was not telling the truth Medsea could sue me for libel/slander. Maybe, just maybe medsea might change there attitude and start trying to sort things out but I doubt it. They are too stupid. I have never seen any successful sales organisation that would have persisted with the same people at the top like Medsea have.

If you have anything to add which might be of help I hope you will bring it to everyones attention. I was talking with an agent last night and he is owed several commissions as well. I have made him aware of this thread. I don't think he will be sending anymore clients.

I am not even sure I could be brought off anymore by Medsea paying what I am owed. I think there is more satisfaction to me in helping to ruin their reputation. My only problem with this is, that I still know a few people who work at Medsea who if they were working for a decent company would be very well rewarded. Sometimes though its like your favourite pet and it can't be treated, in the end its kinder to have it put down.

Considerably less than that, Almeria down to 4 employees also. I don't want to give too many clues over the web.

Peter macgowan told me at a sales meeting they had purchased large tracts of land in Calabria.does anyone know if there is any truth in this ?and where if anywhere this land was purchased.it may pay to go looking!

I purchased property from Medsea and was sold illegal property by Medsea and subsquently initiated legal proceedings against Medsea as a result, I would sincerely like to thank two ex employees who were prepared to give evidence against Medsea recently in the Spanish Courts, Medsea suffered a serious setback and were shocked to see these ex employees within the court grounds, They immediately settled with me and my wife, and these ex employees received all of their payments that were due to them plus extras. I would encourage anybody with information to help buyers who are suufering with illegal propeties, unable to recover their life savings, etc there are hundreds of buyers who could use your help and Medsea wil definetly pay up what you are all owed if they thought you would gave evidence.

The very best of luck to all buyers of fradulent and illegal properties sold by Medsea and good luck to ex employees with trying to recover your entitled payments.

I purchased property from Medsea and was sold illegal property by Medsea and subsquently initiated legal proceedings against Medsea as a result, I would sincerely like to thank two ex employees who were prepared to give evidence against Medsea recently in the Spanish Courts, Medsea suffered a serious setback and were shocked to see these ex employees within the court grounds, They immediately settled with me and my wife, and these ex employees received all of their payments that were due to them plus extras. I would encourage anybody with information to help buyers who are suufering with illegal propeties, unable to recover their life savings, etc there are hundreds of buyers who could use your help and Medsea wil definetly pay up what you are all owed if they thought you would gave evidence.

The very best of luck to all buyers of fradulent and illegal properties sold by Medsea and good luck to ex employees with trying to recover your entitled payments.

current employee

please name and shame these agents that are still sending clients to this shamefull company as they to should be a target here also .

Some clients were referred over from Ireland, I do not know the agents in Ireland, sorry. Do you know of any?

Surely the key to all this is unity. Ex employees, agents and clients. I think if medsea had any intention of paying anyone they could and would have by now. This campaign is only of nuisance value at the moment. We need to make it far more painful but remain realistic in our aims. Its no good making annonymous comments hoping that medsea cave in and pay you what they owe you, at least I don't think they will. So when some are suggesting that Watchdog would be a bad idea, I disagree. The more exposure the better, it will uncover far more tales of what really is going on. It will unsettle potential clients and agents won't want to be associated with medsea.

I believe medsea see this as pure mathmatics, what they owed against what do they owe. They can choose when it will be best to pull the plug for themselves. At the moment the longer they can keep going the longer they have to collect the money in. I know how painful and annoying it is to be owed money but I would encourage everyone to remember that acting on your own is exactly what medsea want you to do.

We need to get together on this and find out exactly what information we have, who is with us and who is not. logistics also come in to this, who lives where? Spain, Italy or England. We also need to represent everyone, clients included. There are many options available to us but one person's complaint here and there won't make much difference. Several voices in unity I believe will.

I have already left my email address on here should anyone wish to contact me. I would like to think we could move this up a gear or 2 and I would suggest that we arrange a meeting should enough support for this be evident.

Your choice, remain anonymous and post a comment now and again. Or join in together to really put the squeeze on

Dear All,

I am the Agent Liaison and Training Manager for Medsea Estates, I would ask that anyone with a genuine complaint or issue to please contact me at Medsea using my personal email address mariebolton@medsea.org . I will make sure that they are acknowledged, passed to the correct people within the company and responded to.

Many Thanks

Marie

If you want to make a complaint call this guy ,he has all the anwsers .Peter 0034 ) 607 530 095.

THANKS FOR ALL THE INFORMATION FROM ALL THE EX EMPLOYEES AND AGENTS ALIKE, I HAVE MADE COPIES OF ALL 235 BAD COMMENTS ABOUT MEDSEA AND WILL USE THESE COMMENTS AGAINST MEDSEA IN THE COURTS. IM AFRAID MEDSEA HAVE NOT TURNED OUT TO BE REPUTABLE ESTATE AGENTS AND ARE SELLING PROPERTIES ILLEGALLY WITHOUT ANY BUILDING LICENSES. SHAME ON MEDSEA

marie bolton .
its the organ grinder and not the organ grinders, chimps arse wiper who should respond here .

Anonymous( victims of medsea)

Wow, a pairing up of the reps/agents and clients made Medsea jump fairly fast, now we know where their weak spot is!

There are some Medsea buyers or should I say victims on the www.incalabria.com forum who would love to hear your story and any others that the reps and agents want to share.

Personally I think justice is as important as money!

Sam

You are advised to make a complaint directly to Marie Bolton Medsea

Medsea have targeted this complaints posting board, didn't I say it during the week that this was being viewed by Medsea's Senior Staff. View the entire postings Marie Bolton from Medsea has left many messages to contact her directly.

I wish to rectify that certain comments that were made here maybe somewhat untrue, having been in contact with Marie Bolton and other journalist friends of mine I wish to state that from now on it may be best to contact Marie Bolton at Medsea directly.

Sharon Tansey

I cannot believe I have only just found this board !!

I am having huge problems with a purchase, and thanks to Medsea despite all promises and reasurances and guarrantees that everything will be fine, I am having to pay to go to court. It will be years before I see my money again !!

I chose Medsea because they are a UK PLC company. In the UK, if you recommend a solicitor as independent who turns out not to be - that's at best a conflict of interest, at worst fraud ?? In the UK, if you make the kind of claims that Medsea do, but your guarrantees are just not worth the paper they are written on - then one would expect a knock from the financial services authority !!

Do the shareholders think that these practices are reasonable and acceptable ?? Are Medsea not accountable in the UK for their actions ?? Medsea make a huge play on their PLC status. It's about time they were held accountable.

I am done speaking to Medsea. The only way to deal with these people now is through the courts. I wish all of you who are owed money, and all fellow purchases in a similar situation, the very best of luck !!